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The Heironean Factions

   Posted by: gmatss   in Docs, Gods

In this version of Greyhawk there will be two factions of Heironeans who are rivals.

Darling Fetch the Battle Axe.

Darling Fetch the Battle Axe.

The oldest faction are those who are called the “Axe-wielders” and sometimes the Grognards. They are the Old Guard Heironeans who insist that Heironeous’ primary weapon is the battleaxe and that though he may use a sword as well it is the battleaxe which is the true weapon of Heironeous. These Grognards are usually from conservative nobility of the status of baron and above though some others have joined this faction as well. They tend to stress the themes of war, daring, and valor and believe that the Heironeans should be proactively engaged in fighting evil.

Sword WeilderThe “Sword-wielders” or “Peace Keepers” insist that the true weapon of Heironeous is the longsword which represents the more elegant and noble side of Heironeous. They are found among the minor nobility, especially those who have been newly raised to that rank for military and non-military contributions. In both cases, they are those who would most likely be on the front lines when the nobles and their levies are called for duty. They believe that the only just war is a defensive war and believe that Heironeans should stress more civilized arts and values in order not to just win wars but keep the peace. They stress the themes of chivalry, justice, and honor.

Note that both factions honor each other, but their disagreements are vigorous and heartfelt. Both sides honor the values upheld by the others, but there is a clear difference of emphasis and priority. The argument over axes or swords as the favored weapon of Heironeous and thus his followers is merely emblematic of the deeper conflicts of policy and class interest. These conflicts are often played out amongst the council of Niole Dra and the advisers of King Skotti. For instance, the Sword-wielders believe it was a mistake to invade Westkeep when diplomatic and economic pressures had yet to be exhausted whereas the Axe-wielders are more in favor of going on the offensive against the Scarlet Brotherhood wherever they may be found.

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6 comments so far

 1 

… Axe-wielders are more in favor of going n the offensive against the Scarlet Brotherhood …

Should read: “… going on the offensive…”

October 13th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
indranil
 2 

Oh yea! I like the Grognards WAAAY better.

October 13th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
indranil
 3 

That was funny

October 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
 4 

Today I interlinked the original post on Heironeous and this post about the factions amongst his followers.

October 14th, 2009 at 8:16 am
 5 

Perhaps this is all meant in jest, and I am taking things too seriously. Still, I wanted to raise the point that “just wars” and “economic and political pressures” are very modern ideas.

In a world where disagreements are settled by swordplay or war, a just war was one you won. Obviously it was just, the gods granted you victory.

And in a time before banking and credit, there would be very little economic pressure to bear, since transactions occur locally. You may need to travel to do so, but you paid with gold where the trader set up his business. Freezing the Scarlet Brotherhood out of a market wouldn’t really be possible, since there are no governing authorities over the markets.

And no, it hasn’t escaped me that the post was very entertaining.

October 17th, 2009 at 7:49 am
GM
 6 

Actually the concept of a “just war” goes back to Thomas Aquinas and I believe long before (it may have been Augustine who originated it but I don’t remember now).

There were also economic leagues in medieval times like the Hanseatic League. Sure, things didn’t go as quickly as they do now – but there were ways of extending credit and there were trade routes that could be disrupted. I’ve been quite surprised in my research into the life of medieval Europe and ancient China as to how “modern” there states were in many respects.

But of course the presence of magick and active gods and non-human creatures with different superhuman abilities also gives me a lot more leeway in how things work.

October 17th, 2009 at 10:40 am

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